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Hunting, Orphan Girls, farmer poverty, Navillus and Sandy

To celebrate the start of the hunting season, I am posting this really unusual photograph of the Waterford Hunt on the Villierstown ferry in 1928.

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An update on the fascinating story of the Irish Orphan Girls  comes from Kay Caball. Kay is making a study of the Listowel girls and where they went and she can elaborate on what Karen Semken wrote.

“The Margaret Stack that Karen mentions was from Ennistymon and her picture (attached) is included in the splendid new book – Atlas of the Great Irish Famine.   The Listowel Stacks were Margaret Stack of Kiltomey, who is listed to travel on the Thomas Arbuthnot in the Minutes of Board of  Guardians 11 September 1849 but she is not listed as having arrived on the Thomas Arbuthnot.   There is also a Mary Stack, Kilmore  listed to travel on the Tippoo Saib –  Minutes of Listowel Board of Guardians 7th March 1850 and she is also listed on arrivals on 29th July 1850, her parents are listed as both dead.”







“Karen says ‘Mary Griffin arrived on the Thomas Arbuthnot, not the Tippoo Saib’    Karen is mixed up there and I don’t blame her as she may not be familiar with our geography and also the girls were not great at the reading or writing and when they told the Australian officials where they came from, it often made absolutely no sense with their Kerry accents.   I have the arrival sheets for both sets of Ships.  The Mary Griffin who arrived on the Thomas Arbuthnot was from Dingle. A ‘Mary Griffin‘ was chosen to go on the Tippoo Saib by the Inspector and is listed as such in the minutes of the Board of Guardians.  There is also a Bridget Griffin listed on the same sheet.  None of these names have addresses at that point.  When the Tippoo Saib arrived there was no sign of any Mary Griffin and Bridget Griffin is listed as being from ‘Stow’.    So it would be very hard for Karen to understand – if you say it yourself Mary, in Kerry speak -“Shtow” in other words is Listowel!”






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More from our correspondent from The London Standard of 1880

“Once he got
to Cahirciveen, the correspondent travelled with Father Brosnan PP, and saw the
poverty that existed in the locality. 
Father Brosnan contended that Poor Law relief was of no value to them,
as it stripped them of a portion of their independence and dignity.

It was a
Fair Day on the day of his arrival at Cahirciveen, and Fr Brosnan took the
opportunity to introduce him to many of the local farmers in attendance at the
fair.  Their issues were mostly to do
with fairness of rentals (rents bearing no relationship to the actual valuation
of the land), penalty raises of rent for land improvements, and the need for security
of tenure for their farms.  Having
listened to a few case histories, a farmer piped up: “Me case, your reverence,
happened 16 years ago”, to which Fr Brosnan replied “Ah get out with you.  We can’t listen to stories 16 years back”.

His
conclusion was that many Kerry tenants were rack-rented, particularly on
estates held by middlemen (and most particularly those under Trinity
College).  The indebtedness of tenant
farmers had a knock-on effect on the local economy, through debt owed to
shopkeepers and other providers.

He also
pointed to the good work being done of some estates to promote good farm
husbandry, and the development of diverse kitchen gardens, particularly on the
estates of Lords Lansdowne and Kenmare. 
This was a theme he expanded on in a second article, in the Evening Post
on 27 November 1880, with particular reference to improvements wrought by
landlords such as William T Crosbie (Ardfert) and Pierce Mahony (Dromore).  The landlord view had been that a great many
of the problems faced in relation to land tenure were related to the nature of
subdivision of plots of land to unsustainably low acreages.”

Much of this will find a resonance with us today, particularly in the knock -on effect of farmer poverty with shopkeepers, vets etc.  suffering this very same scourge in present times.


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Good news for Listowel cyclists

A new bike shop is about to open in the premises where the Polish shop traded up to recently.

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This sign on Jim Halpin’s door was giving folks a  chuckle at the weekend.

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There are many with a Listowel connection who work for this huge New York construction company. This is a photo of the relief tent they have constructed where they provide food and shelter for people made homeless by the superstorm, Sandy.

1979 operetta and Niamh Broderick

This is Niamh Broderick, a promising young scientist. Both of Niamh’s parents hail from Listowel.

I took this writeup from her local paper.

A GIFTED young
Westmeath student has won a bronze medal at the prestigious International
Chemistry Olympiad held in Washington DC.

Niamh Broderick was one
of 273 top grade students from 72 countries to take part in the high-status
event that focused on advanced chemistry studies with individual performances
monitored and evaluated by some of the top educational scientists in the world.

18-year-old Niamh, who
has just completed her Leaving Certificate at Moate Community School, is the
daughter of Joe and Siobhan Broderick from Carn Park, Mount Temple.

On her journey to
success, Niamh had to sit a demanding five-hour written examination as well as
performing two complex laboratory practical experiments for the adjudicators.

Bright spark Niamh was
one of four students selected to represent Ireland at the Olympiad and she
attended specialist training in Dublin City University and Queens University
Belfast for two weeks before travelling to Washington.

Niamh, who has been
accepted to study at Oxford University this autumn, even prior to her Leaving
Cert results being known, also represented Ireland at the first European Girls’
Mathematics Olympiad in Cambridge this year.

The talented young
student said she thoroughly enjoyed the experience at the International
Chemistry Olympiad and she was overjoyed to win a bronze medal.

“It was a wonderful
experience. As well as taking part in the competition, we also got to visit a
NASA mission centre, the Annapolis Naval Academy and the many landmark
monuments in Washington DC.

“It was also a
fantastic opportunity to meet representatives from other countries and learn
about chemistry at the highest level,” she said.

The International Chemistry
Olympiad is an annual competition for the world’s most talented chemistry
students at secondary school level.

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Another photo from the 1979 musical

For many past pupils of Presentation Secondary School, Listowel the annual operetta with

 Sr. Consolata and Tony Behan is the highlight of their school memories.

 Where are this 5 now, I wonder?

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For Kathleen Forrestal this is one of her happy memories of her time in Pres.

Convent Garden

I recall the convent garden

It dispelled the classroom hours:

Lovely trees, flowering shrubs and every kind of flowers.

I loved the mossy path dividing vegetables and fruit.

Here my mind remained serene even though my tongue was
mute.

A pink rose shed its petals, they lay strewn upon the
ground,

I stood there caressing it, waiting to be found.

I rescued one and smelled it, it’s perfume was so sweet.

The others came and trampled them underneath their feet.

I cling now to the memory imprinted on my mind,

Some thoughts I’ll always treasure and some I leave behind

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Australia has close links with the Irish Famine. Many “orphans” who were shipped from Ireland to Australia under the Earl Grey Scheme settled and made good lives for themselves down under. Their descendants have not forgotten their Irish roots or the hardship suffered by these unfortunate children. There is a great museum in Sydney commemorating An Gorta Mór.

http://www.irishfaminememorial.org/

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This is what sport is about.

more of Bridget Ryan’s story

## The following information came from Michael Lynch, the Kerry County Archivist, in 2008.

The Listowel Workhouse took in its first admissions on 13 February 1845.  The former building is now a part of the local Listowel District Hospital.There are no admissions registers surviving for the Listowel Workhouse.  However, the records of the governing body (The Board of Guardians of Listowel Poor Law Union) do survive for much of the relevant period.  There is a gap from November 1845 to November 1848, but the Minutes for the 1850s are substantially complete.

The Board met weekly, and discussed the administration of the Poor Law area more so than individual cases. These records are held in Tralee in the Archives Department of the County Library. 

There are (5) references from Listowel BG Records relevant for Bridget Ryan:

1. Ref: BG/112/A/2, 11 September 1849:  “Lieut. Henry (Local Poor Law Inspector?)this day examined the several orphan girls in the Workhouse and selected the following for emigration to Australia”.

The appended list of 19 names included Catherine Ryan (Tarbert), Mary Ryan (Listowel) and Biddy(sic)Ryan (Listowel).

Also on this date: “Ordered that the requisite outfits etc. for the girls be at once provided”.

2. Ref: BG/112/A/3 (p.20), 29 September 1849: “Ralph Brown’s proposal – he was declared contractor for the supply of 38 pairs of shoes for the orphan girls about being sent to Australia.  Prices – 2s. 10d. per pair for shoes and 1s. 3d. for pumps”

3. Ref: BG/112/A/3 (p.36), 11 October 1849: “Letter 64829 (10 October) The Workhouse orphan girls emigrating to Australia to be in Dublin before the 20th Instant”.

4. Ref: BG/112/A3 (p.37), 11 October 1849 “Ordered that a cheque be drawn in favour of Daniel Griffin for twenty pounds to defray the expenses of Emigrants to Dublin”.

5. Ref: BG/112/A/3 (p.56), 25 October 1849: “Letter from Lieut. Henry 20th October informing Guardians of the arrangements made for the maintenance of one of the Emigrant girls taken ill of fever in Dublin”.

This is as much as exists in the Minute Books, but at least it confirms that Bridget (Biddy) was among those sent at that time.

Bridget arrived in Sydney, Australia on 3 February 1850.According to the Thomas Arbuthnot passenger list from New South Wales State Records we know the following details:

Ryan, Bridget

Age16(Comment from Julie Evans: Bridget’s age is given as 16 but if we accept that her family knew her age at time of death then we accept her birth year of 1835, meaning that she would have been barely 15 when she arrived in Australia.)

Calling:Nursemaid

Native Place and County:Bruff, Limerick

Parents names and if alive their residence:Anthony and Johanna, Father living in Sydney

Religion:Church of Rome

Read and write:Both

Relations in Colony:Father in Sydney

State of health, strength and probable usefulness:Poor

Any complaints respecting treatment on board the ship:None

Remarks by Immigration Board:From Listowel UnionSee below ##

It is interesting to note that despite being described officially as “orphans”, one third of the girls on the Thomas Arbuthnot did not fit the modern definition of that word.  In many cases their parents were unable to look after them and, according to research in the book A decent set of girls: the Irish famine orphans of the Thomas Arbuthnot 1849-1850  by Richard Reid and Cheryl Mongan, the girls who came out on the Thomas Arbuthnot had a higher than average percentage of living parents. Bridget was one of these girls though we have no record of any family reunion between Bridget and her father, Anthony, said to be in the army in Australia when Bridget left Ireland.

On their arrival in Sydney, Bridget and the other girls were housed in Hyde Park Barracks (http://www.hht.net.au/museums/hyde_park_barracks_museum). Bridget remained there for only ten days before going to work for D MacKellar. There was only one D MacKellar living in Balmain, a suburb of Sydney, at this time and it was Captain Duncan MacKellar who was renting a home called Waterview House. Captain MacKellar was a Master Mariner and was originally from Elgin in Scotland.

It is not clear how Bridget met James Murray. He had arrived in 1848 from Scotland, part of a large family and another long story! Some family lore suggests he was working in Sydney at the time though his brothers were farming in the Manning River area of New South Wales. Family records say they were married in Sydney in December 1850 though I cannot locate a copy of their marriage certificate. By December 1851 James and Bridget had had the first of their thirteen children (one did not survive infancy). They were living north of Sydney on the Manning River.

What a great story! 

Now for something completely different

A small snippet of Listowel Church Choir at the recent funeral mass for Mons. Leahy R.I.P.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWukF31eFdA&feature=related

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